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Common in Joint Hypermobility - Association
between hyperflexibility of the thumb - Joint
hypermobility and fibromyalgia - Do
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local anesthesia - Vascular
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Did a bit of checking this and that on the web. This is what I have found (still on the trail of slow progression dysautonomia and dance/creativity. Well there might be something in being overly flexible. I'll set up a poll on idcircle to see if we can get some numbers on how many of us have hyperflexible joints (2 out of 5 in test section below). My notes as usual in bright blue. At best it might put the brakes on excessive and pointless testing.
hypermobility clinical features In the syndromic forms of hypermobility there are other features of the relevant syndrome. In the idiopathic form clinical features include:
Dysautonomia Common in Joint Hypermobility Syndrome NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jul 24 - Dysautonomia appears to be an extraarticular manifestation of joint hypermobility syndrome, according to results of a study conduced in Israel. To better understanding the pathophysiology of symptoms such as orthostatic tachycardia and subjective hypohidrosis (can't sweat adequately) in patients with the syndrome, Dr. Giris Jacob, of Rambam Medical Center, Haifa, and colleagues evaluated the frequency of autonomic nerve system complaints and performed autonomic function tests in 48 consecutive patients and 30 sex- and age-matched healthy volunteers. According to their report in the American Journal of Medicine for July, all 48 patients and 3 volunteers had at least five orthostatic symptoms for at least 6 months. Patients commonly experienced presyncopal symptoms, palpitations, chest discomfort, fatigue and heat intolerance. Even though there were no cardiovagal abnormalities, the patients exhibited signs of dysregulated sympathetic nervous system control. For example, the drop in systolic blood pressure during hyperventilation averaged 11 mm Hg in patients and 5 mm Hg in controls. Patients also exhibited hyperresponsive reactions to beta-1 and alpha-1 adrenoreceptors, as evidenced by lower doses of isoproterenol and phenylephrine required to increase heart rate or systolic blood pressure. These patients generally don't require extensive autonomic function testing, Dr. Jacob told Reuters Health. "The main thing is to get a complete medical history regarding the autonomic nervous system, and hemodynamic data, such as blood pressure and heart rate in the supine position and after standing for 5 minutes." He believes that pharmacologic treatment is required only when quality of life is compromised significantly by the autonomic symptoms. "A high-salt diet, extra fluid intake, and physical therapy to strengthen the muscles in the lower extremities proved to be very helpful," he said. He and his colleagues are now planning to do genetic studies in patients with hypermobile joint syndrome, and to look at the pathophysiology of blood vessels. Am J Med 2003;115:33-40.
Association between hyperflexibility of the thumb and an unexplained bleeding tendency: is it a rule of thumb? Kaplinsky C, Kenet G, Seligsohn U, Rechavi G. Department of Paediatric Haematology-Oncology and Institute of Thrombosis and Haemostasis, The Chaim Sheba Medical Centre, Tel-Hashomer, Israel. A bleeding tendency manifested by petechiae and ecchymoses is one of the most common causes for referral of patients to haematology clinics. Vessel wall pathology is not usually considered to be a cause for deranged haemostasis, although coexistence of increased capillary fragility and joint hypermobility have been reported. We determined the frequency of thumb hyperextensibility and scored the findings in a series of 44 patients referred because of ecchymoses and petechiae, as well as 261 control children and their mothers. All 44 patients had normal coagulation studies. Thumb flexibility score was +4 in 30 patients, +3 in eight patients, +2 in five patients and +1 in one of the index patients. In the control group, only one of 261 had a +4, and three had a +3 score, and two of 260 mothers had a +4 score. Ecchymoses were not observed in any of these subjects, nor in the +1 patients. Based on clinical presentation and normal coagulation studies, we suggest that our patients had an underlying subtype of Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. In view of the dramatically high occurrence of thumb hyperextensibility in patients with unexplained mild bleeding tendency, costly haemostatic and coagulation studies on such patients may not be necessary. PMID: 9609520 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Joint hypermobility and fibromyalgia in schoolchildren. Gedalia A, Press J, Klein M, Buskila D. Department of Pediatrics, Louisiana State University Medical Center, New Orleans 70112-2822. OBJECTIVES--To test the hypothesis that joint hypermobility may play a part in the pathogenesis of pain in fibromyalgia, schoolchildren were examined for the coexistence of joint hypermobility and fibromyalgia. METHODS--The study group consisted of 338 children (179 boys, 159 girls; mean age 11.5 years, range 9-15 years) from one public school in Beer-Sheva, Israel. In the assessment of joint hypermobility, the criteria devised by Carter and Bird were used. Any child who met at least three of five criteria was considered to have joint hypermobility. Children were considered to have fibromyalgia if they fulfilled the 1990 American College of Rheumatology criteria for the diagnosis of fibromyalgia, namely, widespread pain in combination with tenderness of 11 or more of the 18 specific tender point sites. The blind assessments of joint hypermobility (by AG) and fibromyalgia (by DB) were carried out independently. RESULTS--Of the 338 children 43 (13%) were found to have joint hypermobility and 21 (6%) fibromyalgia; 17 (81%) of the 21 with fibromyalgia had joint hypermobility and 17 (40%) of the 43 with joint hypermobility had fibromyalgia. Using chi 2 statistical analysis, joint hypermobility and fibromyalgia were found to be highly associated. CONCLUSIONS--This study suggests that there is a strong association between joint hypermobility and fibromyalgia in schoolchildren. It is possible that joint hypermobility may play a part in the pathogenesis of pain in fibromyalgia. More studies are needed to establish the clinical significance of this observation. PMID: 8346976 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Latest Research Prof Rodney Grahame
& Dr Alan Hakim Department of Rheumatology, University College Hospitals,
London
1. Do you have HMS? (it is classified as an Ataxia) We have been working on a 5-part questionnaire to identify hypermobility. If you answer yes to at least 2 of the 5 questions then there is an 80-90% chance you are hypermobile. We hope it will become a simple aide memoire for doctors and allied health practitioners, encouraging them to think about hypermobility as the cause for musculoskeletal problems. The questions are:
I'm
5 for 5, I'd say almost 100% of dancers etc. are - do does that predispose
us to dysautonomia? or are dysautomaniacs predisposed to dance?
In our survey of questions for the 5-part questionnaire we also asked about local anaesthetics as there has been work published suggesting that patients with joint hypermobility syndromes may be more resistent to them. We found that people with Benign Joint Hypermobility Syndrome are three times more likely than non-hypermobile individuals to have noticed that either local anaesthetic did not work at all or that they needed to be given more than usual to gain any benefit. We do not know the mechanism behind this but clearly it is an important message to get accross to colleagues in both hospital and general practice as well as dentistry.
There has been some interesting work done recently looking at the many other non-musculoskeletal symptoms experienced by those with benign joint hypermobility syndrome. In particular people often complain of vascular problems of feeling faint, actual fainting or palpitations. A lot of people also experience gastrointestinal symptoms such as heartburn and irregular bowel habit. In our clinic we found that up to 60% of our patients have these kinds of symptoms on top of the more classic ones of widespread pain, anxiety and fatigue. Dr Gazit and colleagues from Israel have done some important work that suggests that these kinds of vascular symptoms may be the result of poor functioning of the autonomic nervous system. This is a part of the nervous system that we do not have specific control over. It is responsible, in part, for maintaining our blood pressure and pulse when we move from lying to standing, or increase our level of activity. For some people the autonomic nervous system does not work as well as it should and their blood pressure falls and their pulse rises when they stand up. This makes them feel dizzy and experience 'palpitations', possibly even chest tightness and shortness of breath. Prof Grahame and I, with colleagues from the National Hospital for Neurological Diseases, Queen Square, are looking at this in more detail at present. Ref. Hakim AJ, Grahame R. Symptoms of autonomic nervous system dysfunction in the benign joint hypermobility syndrome. Rheumatology (Oxford) 2003; Volume 42 supplement: Abstract number 47.
4. Other projects that are underway or about to start are: A study looking at the association between hypermobility and complications of pregnancy, particularly rapid delivery and tissue damage in labour. A study exploring the benefits and complications of conservative and surgical management of orthopeadic problems in the shoulder and knee in patients with benign joint hypermobility syndrome.
5. Finally a book on the Hypermobility Syndrome... ...'Hypermobility Syndrome - Recognition and Management for Physiotherapists' by Prof Grahame and Rosemary Keer was published on 3 June 2003. Although it is written for physiotherapists, it would still be very accessible to the 'un-medical'. (Editors note: 'Hypermobility Syndrome - Recognition and Management for Physiotherapists' by Prof Grahame and Rosemary Keer is available from Amazon for £29.99 or a number of copies have been pre-ordered by the HMSA (for members) at a discount. If you are a member and would like to order a copy please e-mail us) Latest Research in Scotland - Prof W Ferrell Professor William Ferrell has been awarded a grant from the Arthritis Research Campaign to compare the differences in muscle reflexes and the sensations originating from proprioceptors - sensory nerve endings which feed back information about muscles and tendons to the brain in individuals with HMS. For more information click here. Those
of you more confused than ever say aye!
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From
Anne (AU)
It is a bit of a long winded way to get there but hopefully you will. There are a lot of other interesting things on the site too. Hope this works.w Much love from Anne |
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Love from Anne |
We don't have to pay for tests here, but I do have a spig from my nursing days. I would think it would be a good investment
to buy one, and do some of these test at home to avoid the costs of tests
that you may pay a lot for or wait a long time for when you can rule out
or find positive at home. Even the excersise study can be done with another
keep pumping it up and checking whilst you excercise! I hope you don't
think me cheeky!!
I do feel the 3 monthly checks are essential
even if you are not yet diagnosed as swings can give guidence to probs.
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from Marg
in Canada
I now have all the info on the Autonomic tests and what they are used for(some info comes from reading research papers of Prof Mathias some comes directly from his staff)
Hope you can one day get the same kind of testing done in BC .Prof Mathias said Dr. Calne in vancouver (a PD specialist ) has been talking about setting up an Autonomic testing lab for some time but just hasn't got around to it.However now that research has shown 60-80% of PD pts have autonomic failure he thinks it may soon happen. Love for now Margaret
Thanks anne for all the info on tests,but here in BC we can`t get autonomic tests.it was really interesting to read that some of the blood tests should be done every 3 months, some I`ve had more than once over the last 18 months and some not at all.Think I`ll copy your info and take it to my Doc and see what else we should be testing . Margaret |
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------------------------------------------------------- michaeljfox.org news Michael J Fox.org Approximately 60,000 Americans are diagnosed with Parkinson's disease each year. Lacking a definitive biological test, clinical diagnoses are based on patients' medical history and detailed neurological and physical examinations. The misdiagnosis rate is estimated at 20 percent. clevelandclinicmeded.com....
The difficulty in accurately distinguishing between neurodegenerative diseases that have Parkinsonian extrapyramidal features (multiple system atrophy, progressive supranuclear palsy (PSP), etc.) is reflected in statistics showing a high rate of misdiagnosis among movement disorder experts when patients are followed throughout the course of their illness to actual autopsy.7,8 Both of these series, one from Europe and the other from North American, point out a roughly 24% misdiagnosis rate at autopsy.medicalcrossfire.com: Parkinsons Director of the Maryland Parkinson’s Disease and Movement Disorders Center at the University of Maryland Medical Center inBaltimore. He pointed out that even in the hands of experienced neurologists, the rate of misdiagnosis of PD is about 15% to 20%,(1) a statistic he described as "quite sobering."Tuesday 16 April, 2002 54th Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Neurology (25%) science.gsk.com press Differential diagnosis can be difficult--for example, at the early stages of the disease when symptoms are vague, or in very elderly people, when symptoms can be ascribed to the effects of ageing. As a result, about one quarter of patients diagnosed in life with Parkinson's disease by specialists do not have the disease at post mortem, and the rate of misdiagnosis is probably higher with non-specialist physicians.emedicine.com Studies have shown that a misdiagnosis rate of 25-35% is not uncommon.scottish.parliament.uk; agenda and decisions That the Parliament welcomes Parkinson’s Awareness Week from 21-29 April 2001 and its focus on current research into the cause, treatment and cure of Parkinson’s disease; notes that the misdiagnosis rate of Parkinson’s may be as high as 30%AND FINALLY FROM THE NATINONAL PARKINSONS FOUNDATION PAGES parkinson.org MISDIAGNOSIS |
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Note it talks about MSA
as one possible cause of "ataxia" symptoms. Ataxia is the medical
term for loss of balance and coordination. Note it also recommends
in the diagnostic plan that scans such as MRI and PET be used to aid in
proper diagnosis. Perhaps it would be a good idea for those people
who are questioning their diagnosis to go through this list with their
doctors and make sure nothing significant has been overlooked.
Submitted
by Anne (AU)
The following is a summary of the presentation on Sporadic Ataxia given by Dr. Mark Hallett at a recent ataxia symposium. The presentation was intended for physicians and is a bit technical but I think a very worthwhile summary for your own information. I have more information on many of the diseases mentioned or you can find out more yourself via a web search. I would encourage those of you with an unknown form of ataxia to follow up with your doctors to find out exactly which tests you have had. There is a diagnostic plan at the end which Dr. Hallett recommends be followed in order to pinpoint the cause of sporadic ataxias. Please share this information with your doctor.
SPORADIC ATAXIA PATHOLOGICAL HALLMARKa. Glial Cytoplasmic Inclusions (GCIs) - this is a recent finding which can be seen upon autopsy in the brain of MSA patients. LAB WORK for MSA diagnosisa. Autonomic abnormalities B. PROGRESSIVE MYOCLONIC EPILEPSYataxia is a prominent feature 2. STROKESeveral types of stroke can cause the symptoms of ataxia.3. TUMORSAt least seven types. 4. TOXIC/METABOLICA. Alcoholism LAB WORK for Gluten Sensitivity diagnosis:look for anti-gliadin antibodies in ataxias of unknown origin D. Childhood hyperammonemas E. Vitamin Deficiencies1. Thiamine (B1) F. Endocrine5. PARANEOPLASTIC1. HypothyroidismG. Drugs/Toxins |
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